First Full Interview with Senior Lieutenant Konstantin Vladimirovich Efremov

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for years at home.

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covertly, covertly

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I am recording this video so that my testimony serves as evidence of the crimes committed by the command of the 42nd Motorized Rifle Division.

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I am the commander of the engineering-sapper battalion of the 42nd Motorized Rifle Division located in the Chechen Republic, Grozny.

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Senior Lieutenant Efremov Konstantin Vladimirovich. Here is my ID.

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I was born and live in the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, the city of Vladikavkaz, in the Armed Forces of 2013.

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From February 27 to May 24, I was on the territory of Ukraine.

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During this time, I have witnessed many crimes and lawlessness committed by the command.

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Such as the creation of improvised prisons in the building of a school in the village of Belmak in the Zaporozhye region,

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torture, beating, humiliation of the 36th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as civilians.

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In front of my eyes, the deputy commander of the 42nd Motorized Rifle Division in military-political work, Colonel Shopaga Vitaly Pronasovich,

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being sober, shot the arm and leg of the 36th Brigade of the Marines of the Armed Forces.

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He also interrogated civilians who were suspected of being accomplices in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

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Threatening, humiliation, harassment. With all this, I and my comrades faced an attempt to resign and leave, not to participate in this madness.

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The head of the division, Colonel Sayenko Alexander Alexandrovich, was aware of all the crimes, all the cases of Colonel Shopaga.

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The commander of the division himself was also aware.

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Under my protection, there were three servicemen of the 36th Brigade and three civilians.

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I also know, to a lesser extent, about 20 servicemen, prisoners of war in the Armed Forces of Ukraine,

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who were interrogated and tortured by Colonel Shopaga, who were in different places.

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I myself was in the village of Belmak from mid-April to mid-May.

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There was the headquarters of the rear of the 42nd Division, and all these events took place there.

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Hello, dear viewers and subscribers of the GULAGUNET channel. I am Vladimir Osichkin.

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And we continue our big independent investigation.

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Today I will introduce you to a person with whom for several months in a row,

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I really wanted to talk to our channel, who has huge and very important information,

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which is of significant importance, including for the international investigation of what was happening in Ukraine,

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starting from the moment of military aggression and this invasion from February 24.

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I present to you a Russian serviceman, now already in the past, Konstantin Evpremov.

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Konstantin, I welcome you to the GULAGUNET channel.

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Hello, Vladimir.

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If you can, then I, without long preludes, on the contrary, will provide you with the right opportunities.

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You can introduce yourself and tell us what position you were in the Russian army on February 24, 2022,

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and how these events took place, starting with the invasion of the Russian army into Ukraine.

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What do you know about this?

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At the time of the invasion, I was in the position of the commander of the demining platoon of the 43rd Motor Rifle Division of the Engineer-Sapper Battalion,

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which is located in the settlement of Khankala, this is the Chechen Republic.

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I was first in Crimea on February 10, when I arrived at the so-called exercise, and at the time of February 27,

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I drove by vehicle through the Crimean direction, through Dzhamkoye, to the territory of Ukraine.

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But I want to say an important point.

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On the 24th, when I found out what was happening, I tried to leave the peninsula, to resign from the ranks of the armed forces.

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I approached the head of the 43rd Division Headquarters, Colonel Kusayenko, voiced my position,

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to which I heard the most vulgar words in my address, three-letter messages, and so on.

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I was threatened that I would be imprisoned as a deserter. Still, I decided to leave, and I left.

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On the way from the peninsula, I decided to come to the unit, write a report and go through the dismissal procedure.

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But on the way, my comrades called me and reported that Colonel Kusayenko had built a personnel,

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declared me a traitor and promised that he would imprison me, gave me to the military police,

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and ordered me not to be able to leave the peninsula.

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The military police chased me.

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When I heard this, I thought that I had to find another way to contact a lawyer,

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so that it did not look like a voluntary resignation of the unit.

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I am not a military lawyer, so I thought that I had to return.

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I came back, and in parallel, I contacted military lawyers who could not explain anything.

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They told me to write a report, register it and hand it over. But how is this all possible in the conditions of the field,

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in the middle of the mud and bustle? Who is interested in my report?

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Now I understand that I had to stay in my position and leave, and at the disposal of the unit to solve all these issues.

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But at that moment I was confused, I did not know what to do.

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Everything seemed to be surrealism.

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The war began, desertion, imprisonment for 7 years, and so on.

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As a result, I returned and came to the territory of Ukraine.

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At that time, I was the commander of the shooting platoon.

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Before I was sent to the Crimea for training, I was appointed to the position of the commander of the shooting platoon.

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Why and why, I do not know.

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I do not know what the reason for this decision was.

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And this whole battalion consisted not of motorized shooting units, but of a combined battalion, where there were soldiers-drivers,

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repair company personnel, RKBZ company, and so on.

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Shooting units were made by the shooting platoon.

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We drove to the territory of Militopol, stopped at the airport of Militopol.

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We were there for about two weeks.

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There were constant battles in Militopol, but we were not in the vanguard, but as a guard of the division headquarters.

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And the headquarters is moving behind the shooting units.

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There were constant shelling from the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

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And our Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation shot them down.

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But there was such a case that it was too late.

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Supposedly, this was the point of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

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And the shrapnel fell on the KAMAZ, hit the guy, and someone else was injured.

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It was about 600-700 meters from the place where I was, for example.

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And during the time that we were there, the Airborne Forces shot down the missiles several times a day.

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Then I remembered another case that some kind of shooting began, shooting.

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It is not clear whether it was during the day or at night.

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I do not know the nature and the beginning of this shooting.

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But there was neither our battalion commander, nor any of the other officers who would command something, who would give clear instructions.

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People just ran in with machine guns, with their faces spread out, and waited for the attack to begin.

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And I remembered how the tank was thrown, and how people were running back and forth.

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And no one knows anyone, there is no coordination.

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I turned around and saw that there were about 10 people next to me.

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Behind me, there are 20 people aiming at our backs.

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That is, complete chaos.

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Some kind of unmanned aircraft flies by, it is not clear whether it is ours or not.

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Everyone starts firing at it.

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I do not shoot because I do not see the point, I do not understand what is happening.

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In short, complete chaos.

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Someone ran away, someone is crying, someone is crying, someone is shaking.

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In general, some kind of nonsense was happening.

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But then it all went on for half an hour.

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And as it did not start with anything, it did not end with anything.

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And after that, no one really understood, no answers were heard, what it was all about.

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But they could shoot at each other.

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Further, after being under the militopole, in our combined battalion,

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we were divided into groups of the senior, his subordinate personnel, officers, soldiers, sergeants.

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And 60 people were sent to guard the artillery.

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I was under the subordination of 8 people, I was the ninth.

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And we were taken to guard the artillery division.

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Reactive artillery, hurricanes and two pions.

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These are 200 mm guns.

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We guarded them from March 3 to April 16.

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Artillery was constantly shooting somewhere.

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Sometimes I knew where to shoot, sometimes I didn't.

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But they were given coordinates.

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They shot, sometimes they knew what the coordinates were.

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Sometimes they just received coordinates without explanations where they were shooting.

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And after each salvo, they moved, we moved in pursuit of them.

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But since we were left, they were thrown on our necks.

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And we had to guard them.

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But to say that they were happy that we were guarding them,

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and we were happy that they were thrown on our necks, feed us, feed us.

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It was not like that.

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We were just sent for a check, but we didn't think about how we were going to feed ourselves, how we were going to sleep.

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Plus, since the moment of sending from the point of permanent dislocation,

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there were practically no body armor.

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I remember that the equipment was in terrible, deplorable condition.

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These installations of the hurricane spit out the missiles in front of them for 20-30 meters.

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Everyone ran to the landfill, laid down, hid.

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Sometimes they started, sometimes they didn't.

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The truckers took them on tugboats, then the truckers took them on tugboats.

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And such trains of faulty equipment, one unit faulty, three faulty, dragged from field to field.

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I am now talking about the deplorable condition of the equipment,

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about the fact that the personnel was poorly trained.

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But I am not saying this in the context that I regret it.

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In a situation when our country, our armed forces attack innocent people,

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on the contrary, this is good, because we will bring less problems.

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Although, of course, we have already brought a lot of problems.

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But I want to say that I was not in such a position that I did not participate in the annexation of Crimea,

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I was not in Syria, I did not participate in the armed conflict in Donbass.

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I always considered it to be some kind of slander.

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To stain yourself with something bad.

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For me it was so.

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And that's why I tried to leave on the very first day of the war.

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But, to be honest, I was afraid of some prison term and thought,

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thought about how to act more rationally.

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Now, over time, it all becomes clear.

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It's all a mess in your head, you don't know what to do, you're in panic to some extent.

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By chance, and by God's will, during the time I was on the territory of Ukraine,

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I did not have to shoot at the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

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I did not have to participate in any clashes.

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Neither the Armed Forces of Ukraine, nor, God forbid, the civilians were harmed by my hands.

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I did not engage in marauding, I did not engage in extortion.

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But I want to apologize to the Ukrainian people, to the Ukrainians,

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that one way or another my leg crossed the border, entered their house with a gun in my hands.

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I am not an abandoned guest, I am not an invited guest, and this is also my fault.

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No matter how good I am, no matter what harm or absence of harm I have done to myself,

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the very fact that I am uninvited with a gun already imposes some kind of responsibility on me,

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and for this I apologize.

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In turn, I want to thank you, Konstantin, for your humanity, for your position,

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because we have been in touch for several months.

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I and our entire team were very worried, because we know your story.

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We tried to keep our contact with you in secret,

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and at the moment when we contacted you, you did not have the opportunity to leave the territory of Russia,

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neither documentarily, nor by any other means.

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All aspects said that you would be there for some long time in Russia,

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and at the same time we understood, having communicated with you then, that you have very important information,

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a witness of which you were, including if we are now talking about cruel treatment,

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about torture, the use of inhuman methods and even weapons against Ukrainian prisoners of war.

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Now, when you have already crossed the Atlantic Ocean,

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when you are many thousands of kilometers from the Russian Federation and from the special services of Russia,

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you have the opportunity to tell the world the truth,

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and I think that your testimony will be of great importance for our esteemed viewers and subscribers of the GULAG-NET channel,

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among which there are those who are engaged in international investigations,

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and those who are engaged in the investigation of crimes committed against Ukrainians within Ukraine.

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And I hope that over time, after the transition of power, the change of the situation in Russia,

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and within Russia, national law enforcement agencies will also conduct inspections and investigations,

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not against you for calling the war a war and telling what is happening,

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but will conduct an inspection on the fact of abuse,

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excess of official powers, including the use of torture against a number of employees.

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If you can, please tell us about this,

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what you were directly a witness, an eyewitness, what you observed, where it happened,

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in what period, how long it lasted,

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who personally from the employees of the armed forces of the Russian Federation took part in this cruelty,

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and how did you perceive all this and how did you react to it?

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I stopped at the fact that from February 27 to March 3, I was in Melitopol,

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and then from March 3 to April 16, I was engaged in guarding the artillery.

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After that, we guarded it in such a way that they did not like it, and the commander of our battalion,

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that is, we did not guard them.

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The way we were fed, the conditions in which we lived,

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to call it some kind of sabotage, maybe, and not to call it a quiet rebellion,

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because they demand from you, but no one provides you.

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Therefore, the artillerymen told the commander of our battalion,

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take your guys, we do not need them.

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And on April 16, he took us to the village of Belmak in the Zaporozhye region.

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In this village, there was something like an improvised rear headquarters.

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This is such a large territory with hangars.

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I don't know how to call it accurately, I'm not a farmer, not an agrarian.

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Well, there were boxes, large hangars for storing grain, some kind of repair boxes for tractors,

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special rooms, something like an office, which was engaged in this activity.

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There were civilian garages nearby.

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Opposite, there were residential buildings, a one-story private sector.

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And my task was, together with my fighters, to guard, I also have subordinates of about 10 people,

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and we controlled the entrance and exit of the checkpoint to this headquarters of the rear of the 42nd division.

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The head of this territory, the headquarters of the rear, was Colonel Shapag, Vitaly Pronatsovich.

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He is the deputy commander of the 42nd Motor Rifle Division in terms of work with the personnel,

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in terms of military-political work, deputy political officer of the division, to put it simply.

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In addition to him, there were quite a few other officers, meetings were held with the commanders of the battalions,

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with the commanders of the battalion RAP, with the commanders of the platoon battalion, evacuation company, and so on.

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Units of the 42nd division. I can't remember exactly now, but somewhere around the 20th of April the Internet disappeared.

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We didn't know the reason why it disappeared.

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That is, it was, and then it was not at all. And it was not in a fairly large area.

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In the whole village for sure.

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And then it turned out that it was done by the Russian Armed Forces,

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in order for the fighters of the 36th Marine Brigade of Mariupol, who were defending the Ilyich plant,

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which is located next to the Azov-Stal.

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They were running away from there at that moment, so as not to give up, they were leaving the encirclement,

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and they broke into several groups, about 200-250 people, in groups of 15, 10, 5 people.

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And some of these groups were detained by the Russian Armed Forces,

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and they were interrogated and found out that they have some kind of conditional number

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by which they should get in touch as a conditional settlement, or several settlements.

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And in order to make it difficult for them to get out of the encirclement, the route was cut off by the Internet.

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And it worked, because those groups started, someone did not have paper maps,

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someone had only navigators, tablets, phones, they began to wander,

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they could only move at night, during the day they hid in the distance, in shelters, somewhere in such places.

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They began to go the wrong way.

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I know that there was a case when they met with scouts of the 43rd Division,

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killed two scouts, the group disappeared, that is, some clashes took place,

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but in the end, I do not know how many soldiers of the 36th brigade of the Russian Armed Forces got out,

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but about 20-30 servicemen, including female servicemen, were taken into captivity, detained.

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They began to wander, go the wrong way, due to the loss of the Internet, the loss of communication,

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they could not get in touch, it prevented them.

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And in one of the days, I can not name the exact date, but again, probably between April 20-30,

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three soldiers were brought to the rear headquarters, three servicemen were taken into captivity.

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They are placed in a garage, an ordinary civilian garage, a small car,

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which consists of a number of residents of this village, and they are kept under guard there.

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And Colonel Shapag, deputy head of the division, along with the commander of the 3rd platoon battalion,

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Major Dutov, of my battalion, imagined that they were investigators and torturers.

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And began to interrogate these servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces.

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It happened so, they were taken out of the garage, brought into this office,

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and there Colonel Shapag began interrogation.

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Interrogated their positions, their ranks, well, everything that was of interest to them,

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everything they could say.

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And after that, I want to describe these guys, I know for sure that the youngest of them was,

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he was born in 1996, unfortunately I do not remember his name,

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the other two were older, already adult men, one was 37 years old, the other was about the same, from 35 to 40.

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And this young guy, who was born in 1996, he admitted, honestly said that he was a sniper.

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And when Colonel Shapag heard that he was a sniper, he had a roof blown off.

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Those two also received beatings, but the deputy head of the division was especially focused on this guy.

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How did the interrogations go?

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Colonel Shapag could, in a sober manner, take off his pants from this guy,

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and order someone to carry a mop, and ask him, this guy,

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are you married? He asks, are you married? He says yes.

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He says, now we will make a girl out of you.

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Well, of course, no one carried a mop for him, everyone understood that this was a delirium of a drunk colonel.

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Well, I'm even scared to imagine that this guy was worried.

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Then more. He took his gun, his PM, and put it on the head of this guy,

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and counted. I will count to three, then I swear I will shoot you.

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These are his words, I quote, up to five. And the stupidest thing that he demanded from him,

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his words were, tell me the names of the nationalists in your battalion, in your company, in your platoon.

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He says to him, I don't know the nationalists, I don't know what you mean, who you are talking about.

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And he says, oh, you are such a bitch, you don't know? And beats him with a pistol.

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He counts, then shoots next to him, then again counts, says, again shoots next to him.

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He shoots him next to the ear, alone. He holds a gun to the head of this guy, counts, shoots from the right of his head,

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next to the ear, then from the other side, next to the ear, then shouts to him, says, he shouts, what I don't hear.

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He says, you are lying to me, how do you not hear me? I say to him, Comrade Colonel, you silenced him, he does not hear.

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He lies. Well, it is clear that there were other expressions, but he does not lie.

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That the drunk colonel did not restrain himself in his expressions, nor in his actions. And they will take the guy, they will bring another one.

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And he also honestly admitted that he was a sniper, and during interrogations, Colonel Shapag accused him of what he could not be guilty of.

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He said such words, like, and you know that my friend was also shot by a sniper.

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He said, oh, you bastard, and hit him, and hit him again, and again. And I asked this guy, I say, why did you say that you, why did you admit that you are a sniper?

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You should have said that you are, I don't know, a driver, an ordinary shooter.

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And he says, I was afraid that suddenly my comrades would be tortured, and it would turn out that I lied, then it would be even worse for me.

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Well, it's kind of a fair comment on his part, but I think he shouldn't have admitted it.

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But I can consider anything, and how it turned out, so it turned out, as it turned out.

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The police officer forbade them to feed, sometimes allowed, well, the guys and I somehow tried to feed them, at night they came to the garage, threw some straw at them.

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That is, I don't want to praise myself in anything now, somehow to praise myself. In a good way, I shouldn't have been there at all.

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Since it turned out that I was there, and these people were there, for me they are the defenders of their country, good or bad, whatever they are, they are at home, and it is their right to protect their country, to protect their home.

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And when some drunken scum is mocking and making fun of them, who is still in such a position, I wouldn't like it in any army.

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Not in relation to any other, some kind of combat conflicts, it doesn't matter, at the other end of the world.

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In any case, I would consider it disgusting.

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In addition to the location where it all happened, in the village of Belmak, Colonel Shopaga also went to other settlements, where the same brigade of prisoners of war was also kept under guard, and there he also conducted his interrogations.

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As a result, during the time that these three prisoners of war were in the same place where I was, in this location, on this base,

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on one beautiful day, in the evening, Colonel Shopaga again interrogated this poor sniper with a gun,

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and to say that he has some abilities of an investigator, he does not have them, he just asked stupid questions, on which he wanted to hear some answers, but did not hear them.

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This guy was already shouting, I'm a sniper, how many did you kill? Who did you kill? He says, I didn't kill anyone. How many times did you shoot? He says, I shot three times.

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One time, two times I missed for sure, the third time, I don't know, I was injured or not injured at all, or I didn't hit at all.

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He says, oh, you're such a sniper, you killed our guy, and again, the beating. In addition to these interrogations, there were a large number of servicemen of the 42nd Division on this territory.

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And, in principle, they were kept under guard, they were closed in the garage, and a soldier with a machine gun guarded them.

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No one really followed this, some absolutely, well, Sharikovs, I can't call them differently, from the dog's heart, came to talk to them.

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They asked the watchman to open the garage and began to tell them something there. Well, a circus of freaks.

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And they could hit, they could kick them. When I saw it, me and my subordinates, guys, we stopped it. We told this person who guards, what are you doing, why are you launching here?

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Yes, here they are, the Nazis, back and forth, they carry some kind of nonsense, they are enemies. I say, how do you know who he is? And so on, word for word.

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And I saw this guy with his eyes blindfolded, I'm talking about prisoners of war, in jackets, and someone, some animal, bastard, runs up and breaks his leg, hits him in the face, breaks his nose.

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Why are you doing this? He doesn't tell me anything. Well, I would very much like to hit him the same way, but how would it be perceived?

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What kind of conflict would it bring, everyone with weapons? Well, now, if I met this scoundrel, I would hit him the same way with pleasure.

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He was blindfolded, he did not see the blow, and many, yes, I think everyone understands that when you do not see the blow, you are 10 times sicker. They tried to fix his nose somehow, but we are not doctors.

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And so he, with a broken nose, will continue to go to the deputy political commissar for interrogations. And in one of the evenings, at night, Colonel Shopagav still shot this guy, a sniper.

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He scratched his touchy hand and his right leg, below the knee, with a fracture of the bone.

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We bandaged him, first provided some kind of help, stopped the bleeding, and so he spent the night with these gunshot wounds. The next day he was taken to the hospital.

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I did not go, but my friends, my comrades, my subordinates, they told him, do not say, do not dare to say that you are a prisoner of war.

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He did not say anything at all. That is, he was brought to the hospital under the guise of a soldier of the 42nd Division, so that there would not be any atrocities committed against him.

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They put plaster on him, returned him back, and after that, the deputy political commissar's interrogations did not stop. Every day, Colonel Shopagav left to interrogate.

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I suspect that all day he was interrogating prisoners of war in different settlements, and he rested and slept in the headquarters of the rear.

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In addition to these three servicemen of the Air Force, there were also civil prisoners.

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There was an elderly man, 65-60 years old. He was suspected of correcting the artillery of the Air Force.

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There was nothing specific about him. He had an old phone. The place where he was detained also did not indicate anything.

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Is this Vitaly Shopagav?

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I do not see the photo.

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Do you see it?

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No, I see your avatar. I click on your avatar and nothing happens.

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Okay, I'll send it to you now in Messenger.

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Yes, that's right.

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This is him.

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Yes, I'm just...

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Yes, this is Vitaly Shopagav.

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Yes, just so that we recognize. If possible, then continue, please, about the civilian face.

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Civilian, who were also detained. Among them was an elderly man, who suspected that he was correcting the artillery fire of the Ukrainian.

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He was also detained in the same garage with the servicemen of the 36th brigade of the Air Force.

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Then a young boy was also detained for the same reason, for the same suspicion.

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He was definitely not a teenager, but from 15 to 17 years old.

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He was trembling, shaking, he was afraid that he would be killed. He saw these prisoners of war in gypsum, beaten with broken noses, broken teeth.

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He was just in horror and shock.

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We tried to bring them food at night, but all this had to be done so as not to conflict with the commanders.

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Secondly, with the patriots, who are ready to die, fight, kill and plunder.

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For them, these prisoners of war are villains, scoundrels and scoundrels, who simply protect their home.

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We tried to avoid conflict with them, although we did not have a special ceremony with them and were not afraid to confront them.

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But still, at night, they were brought food, hot tea to brew, it was still cold outside.

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We tried to talk to them, but of course we did not ask them to forgive us.

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We tried to support them somehow.

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We told them that they would be exchanged, that they would not be killed, that they would not worry.

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Although we ourselves did not know what would happen to them.

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But people with blindfolds, they were ordered to hold them with blindfolds, with blindfolded hands, so that their fingers were already sitting.

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This is not good. It should not be like that.

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I remember a case when I myself was born and raised in Vladikavkaz.

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And my friend, my close friend, he was there with me.

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And he comes up to the cook and says, get food for them.

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And the cook, well, the field kitchen on the Urals, our car.

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And the cook says, no, no, they can't, they were forbidden, they were waiting for some bread, dry bread.

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And he says, who are you afraid of?

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And points with his finger at the office where Shapag is sitting.

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Him? Or points up to the sky?

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Him.

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He took it, silently put food on it and gave it to my friend, he went and fed them.

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I found out that there were three prisoners of war, and two more civilians were added to them.

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This is an elderly and a teenager.

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They were interrogated, they could spit there, but without hooliganism, without any indignation, unlike the prisoners of war.

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But it's also not pleasant, of course, these people survived, especially this boy.

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Once during the day, I asked the person who was guarding them, take them out, open the door.

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They go to the toilet in the same garage, open the door, take them out in the sun, put them here on the bench.

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And here he is standing with a machine gun, and this elderly man is sitting, a prisoner, and he stabs him in the chest with a machine gun.

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I didn't notice it right away, but when I noticed it, I said, what are you doing?

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And he says, he's an enemy.

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I say, how do you know?

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I say, even if so.

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Why are you defending him?

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I say, I see that you are doing something incomprehensible.

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I say, do you have any sadistic inclinations or what?

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What's wrong with you?

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Why are you stabbing him with a machine gun?

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Or he will spread his legs, the prisoner will spread his legs to the sides somehow, and he will put his legs together.

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The guy is 24 years old.

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And he, I don't understand, I don't understand why he did it.

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I just, when I saw it, I made some kind of comment to him.

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When I left, he probably continued to do it.

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There was another interesting prisoner.

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Block posts were placed all over the territory of the Zaporozhye region under the control of the Russian army.

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Block posts at the entrance to the settlement, at the exit from the settlement.

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And they, in this way, I don't know what it was done for.

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It brought only a thousand troubles and complete nonsense.

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That is, a person who needs to drive 20 kilometers to a civilian, a resident of Ukraine,

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he stops to check his documents.

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After 500 meters, he stops again to check his documents.

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They take his phone, look at the phone to see if he is in any groups where he can send photos.

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They look at his photos.

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He did not say so, he did not look so, he did not turn so.

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And there was an inadequate reaction from these people who stood at the block post.

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These people were mostly from the DPR militia.

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DPR, LPR, well, these are the cattle.

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But they were cattle.

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I don't know if they are all cattle or not, but those whom I saw were natural cattle.

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Drunkards and Sharikovs.

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And then, one day, a man goes with his mother.

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He is stopped by a resident of Ukraine.

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He is stopped at another block post, and he has an iPhone.

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And this DPR says to him, I like your iPhone, give it to me.

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Well, probably they had a different dialogue, but I talked to the owner of this phone,

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who in the end turned out to be a prisoner too.

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And he says, I will not give you, this is my phone.

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Check it, see what the problem is.

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No, I have to check it, you go.

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Well, how is that?

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Give me the phone and I'll go.

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And that's it, the fifth, the tenth, word for word.

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Twisted, twisted, delivered.

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They didn't take the phone, really.

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Delivered, brought to the rear headquarters.

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Well, where I was, where Colonel Shopagav was.

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The rest of the zoo was found.

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And the prisoners.

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And he was unloaded from the car, thrown into the garage.

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Thrown into the garage, brought from the garage to interrogate.

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It turns out during the interrogation that he turned out to be an anesthesiologist,

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who in 2015 operated on the wounded in Donbass, on the wounded militiamen in Donbass.

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And now the militiaman wanted to take his iPhone.

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He was indignant.

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Others who interrogated him, Colonel Shopagav, Major Dutov.

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Major Dutov, I'll tell you, I won't forget to tell you what kind of beat he had, improvised.

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Well, Major Dutov was an assistant to Colonel Shopagav.

408
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:23,520
And where Shopagav wanted and beat the prisoner of war,

409
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,520
there immediately jumped Major Dutov with his wooden bat.

410
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:33,520
And about, I'm a little distracted now, but I also want to say this.

411
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:39,520
When I, on the first day of the war, on February 24,

412
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:46,520
before going to the head of the headquarters of the 42nd Division,

413
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,520
I approached my commander, this new commander, Major Dutov,

414
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,520
and I say, I want to leave.

415
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,520
He says, why?

416
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,520
I say, let me go to the head of the headquarters.

417
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,520
He says, why do you want to leave?

418
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,520
I say, I don't even want my foot to enter the territory of Ukraine.

419
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:11,520
And he says, how is that? What is it? You're a normal guy.

420
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,520
And I say, I decided for myself.

421
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,520
And I say, he doesn't need it, I won't say that to him,

422
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,520
to the head of the headquarters of the division, Colonel Ustoyenko.

423
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:30,520
I'll just say that my mother is alone at home, she is very worried, I can't.

424
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:36,520
I will not name the provoking reason at that moment,

425
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,520
namely to voice my anti-war position.

426
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,520
And he says, well, well.

427
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,520
I went to the head of the headquarters, Major Dutov, I went out.

428
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,520
He says, come in.

429
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:51,520
I went in, and the head of the headquarters, Colonel Ustoyenko, says to me,

430
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:56,520
oh, you are such a bitch, you say that your feet are not here.

431
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:04,520
That is, Major Dutov completely, word for word, conveyed everything.

432
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:09,520
He handed me over, handed me over.

433
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:17,520
Well, this is typical of many Russian officers, to serve.

434
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,520
In any way.

435
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,520
No matter what.

436
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:35,520
I am now distracted, I will return to the anesthesiologist who treated the DPR and LPR,

437
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,520
and now the DPR and LPR wanted to take his phone.

438
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:47,520
As a result, he was released, but he was kicked a couple of times,

439
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:54,520
kicked somewhere else, on the way he was fed with kicks, and he lost his cross.

440
00:57:54,520 --> 00:58:02,520
He did not have it on a chain, but just on a silk thread, a cross.

441
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:07,520
A good golden cross, but it was expensive to him, not as a jewelry,

442
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:12,520
but he said that it was a great value for him, memory and all that.

443
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:23,520
And I went crazy, I went into the office, into the room where the officers were sitting.

444
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,520
At that time there was Major Shapag, there were other officers.

445
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,520
No, Major Shapag was not there.

446
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:38,520
There were commanders of different degrees, from senior lieutenant to major, captains,

447
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:47,520
about 7-8 people, and many of them communicated, interrogated this anesthesiologist.

448
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,520
I say, he lost his cross.

449
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,520
We need to find his cross, who took it.

450
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,520
They are silent and look at me as if I...

451
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,520
They all looked at me as if I came in with painted lips,

452
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:08,520
or, I don't know, I came in with such a surprise, with such a bewilderment,

453
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,520
like, do you need more than anyone else?

454
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,520
And one of them says to me, what should I do now?

455
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,520
Can I give my own cross to him?

456
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,520
I say, well, this is already a sacred thing.

457
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,520
Who needs to be to take a cross off a person?

458
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,520
No one does it, no one does it.

459
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:29,520
I don't know what to call such people, who will steal a cross.

460
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,520
Yes, with anyone.

461
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:36,520
And in the end, he did not find his cross.

462
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,520
And who took it off him?

463
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:43,520
He himself remembered that when he was brought, he was on it,

464
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,520
and he was brought with his eyes blindfolded.

465
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,520
He says, I don't remember who came up to me,

466
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,520
someone pulled me, someone tied my hands behind my back, and so on.

467
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:57,520
And so he spent a short time during the day, this guy.

468
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:03,520
Well, he was 35-40 years old, a young anesthesiologist.

469
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:09,520
There was another interesting civilian.

470
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:15,520
He came himself, no one forced him.

471
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:20,520
He asked to talk to the senior.

472
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:27,520
Well, we examined him, examined everything, let's go, what do you want to tell?

473
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,520
He says, I have information.

474
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:35,520
He is a resident of this village of Belmak, a resident of Ukraine.

475
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:44,520
I don't remember his name, I just know that the man is about 45 years old.

476
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:51,520
And he says, I have valuable information about the Armed Forces of Ukraine,

477
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,520
which may be interesting to you.

478
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,520
He was hugged.

479
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,520
And our brother, our friend, shook his hand.

480
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,520
Sit down here, tell.

481
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,520
He told, he told.

482
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,520
And then he began to get hit on the head.

483
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:14,520
He began to get beatings, kicks, screams.

484
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:19,520
And he was surprised, very surprised, with such an attitude to himself.

485
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:26,520
But in the end, he spent a couple of days with other prisoners.

486
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:35,520
And then he was kicked under the back foot and told, go away.

487
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:40,520
And he was beaten, beaten, humiliated.

488
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,520
Also such an interesting character.

489
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,520
He came, he got it and left.

490
01:01:54,520 --> 01:02:00,520
This whole story with the prisoners ended, well, I hope it ended well for them.

491
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,520
But I, unfortunately, do not know this.

492
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:08,520
And in my memory, when I was there, the extreme that I saw,

493
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,520
this is how they were taken to Melitopol.

494
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:17,520
Melitopol concentrated all the prisoners of war.

495
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:24,520
And I think that not only from the number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,

496
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:30,520
but also civilians, who were suspected of some kind of accomplice.

497
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:39,520
Exactly, they were tied up, blindfolded and taken to Kamaz.

498
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:46,520
Then I heard that this sniper with a cast and two other men,

499
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:52,520
servicemen of the 36th Brigade of the Marines,

500
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,520
one was a driver, the other, in my opinion, was also a driver.

501
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:00,520
Well, God knows what positions they have, they are not officers, not scouts,

502
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:07,520
but they were tortured and interrogated like real spies.

503
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,520
And they were taken to Melitopol.

504
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:17,520
I have not met or seen more prisoners there.

505
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:22,520
I know that in Melitopol, yes, I may repeat,

506
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:27,520
they were kept on some kind of...

507
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,520
These are the guys who were taken away.

508
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:35,520
When they were brought to Melitopol, they were placed on some kind of platform.

509
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,520
No blood, no head, nothing.

510
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,520
They were kept like this on the ground.

511
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:48,520
And there they were also asked, there were additional explanatory teams

512
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,520
who also want to know who you are.

513
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,520
Well, sadists, Sharikovs, others.

514
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:00,520
They are interrogated again, asked.

515
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,520
This sniper was beaten again, the one with a broken leg and cast.

516
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,520
Others were beaten.

517
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:12,520
This is what the Kamaz driver who took them there told me.

518
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:22,520
From Belmak to Melitopol.

519
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:28,520
I understand that it is very difficult to remember all this again and again.

520
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:34,520
Even, Vladimir, it is not as difficult as it was disgusting to be among people

521
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,520
who looked incomprehensible.

522
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:46,520
They cannot be called animals, animals do not do nasty things, especially us.

523
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,520
This is really monstrous in general.

524
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,520
This whole picture of how it happened.

525
01:04:53,520 --> 01:05:02,520
Probably such a question that I ask everyone who has been to Ukraine and participated in the war.

526
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:12,520
On February 24, Vladimir Putin told everyone that it is very important to do denazification of Ukraine.

527
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:17,520
That supposedly it is just full of Nazis and so on.

528
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:23,520
What period were you in Ukraine in 2022?

529
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:28,520
From February 27 to May 24.

530
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:38,520
Over the past few months, you have met at least once a Nazi.

531
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:48,520
When we were growing up, we watched these films about how allies led by the Soviet army

532
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:54,520
liberate the territory, fight the Nazis, the Hitlerites.

533
01:05:54,520 --> 01:06:03,520
This is what the Russian propaganda painted, trying to justify this war in some way.

534
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:08,520
Have you seen any real Nazis during these months?

535
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,520
This is the first question.

536
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:16,520
And, accordingly, were there Ukrainians who met you with bread and salt,

537
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:23,520
thanked you for coming to liberate Ukraine from some Nazis, and so on.

538
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:28,520
Have you met any Nazis?

539
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:35,520
I have not met or seen any Nazis.

540
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:47,520
I saw a memorial in the village of Belmak dedicated to the heroes of the Great Patriotic War.

541
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:53,520
It was well-groomed. You could see what they were doing.

542
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,520
You could see that no one had defiled it.

543
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:02,520
And for me it was very, very indicative.

544
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,520
Well, what kind of Nazis can there be?

545
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:13,520
Some Nazis are not attentive, since they, or maybe there are no such Nazis.

546
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:19,520
The memorial dedicated to the heroes of the Great Patriotic War is well-groomed, whitewashed,

547
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:26,520
flowers are planted, fences.

548
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,520
Well, what else can I add here?

549
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:36,520
What Nazis? What fairy tales?

550
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:43,520
I can also say about the local population. I met him rarely,

551
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:48,520
since he was forced to flee from the rescue army.

552
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:53,520
And mostly they were elderly people,

553
01:07:53,520 --> 01:08:03,520
or elderly people who, perhaps, raised small children without parents.

554
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:16,520
Or elderly people who lived 10 houses away from each other.

555
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:25,520
By the way, there was an elderly couple living opposite the rear headquarters.

556
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:34,520
I came to visit them. I took something with me,

557
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:39,520
stewed meat, pasta. I wanted to take a bath.

558
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,520
The neighboring houses were abandoned.

559
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,520
Well, how abandoned? Left.

560
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:52,520
And the fighters of the 42nd Division also settled in them.

561
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:57,520
They settled in different formats.

562
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,520
And they lived there, bathed, but I did not want to come to this bedlam.

563
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,520
Their faces were disgusting to me.

564
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:16,520
Therefore, I decided to collect some food and ask this elderly couple to come in and take a bath.

565
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:26,520
They met me and I said, well, an elderly couple, 65 years old, a man and a woman.

566
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,520
I said to them, I'm sorry that I'm in your house with a gun.

567
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,520
I'm sorry, you can come in and take a bath.

568
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,520
And they say, yes, yes, of course, come in.

569
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,520
And so confused.

570
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,520
Well, I understand now.

571
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:56,520
They, without my politeness and no matter how I behave, they see a man with a machine gun behind his back.

572
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:04,520
Of course, they will smile and pretend that they are glad to you,

573
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:09,520
although they have every right to cover you with the last curses in their heads.

574
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:17,520
Nevertheless, I went in and talked to this owner.

575
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:24,520
We smoked, drank tea, coffee, talked about what was happening.

576
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,520
He somehow, probably, penetrated into me.

577
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,520
He was not afraid to talk to me about these topics.

578
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,520
We talked to him about what was happening.

579
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:46,520
He was amazed at such brotherly love, at what was happening around him.

580
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:51,520
This elderly man was outraged.

581
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:59,520
He said, my son had to leave St. Petersburg.

582
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:05,520
He worked remotely, some orders came to him from St. Petersburg.

583
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,520
He was doing something on the computer.

584
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,520
As a result, he was left without a job.

585
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,520
Now he has no orders.

586
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:18,520
He took his daughter from Melitopol, his son, and a little granddaughter and a daughter-in-law.

587
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,520
They were forced to leave for another city in Ukraine.

588
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,520
He says, I can't leave my house.

589
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,520
Yes, he calls me, but I can't.

590
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:35,520
He told me about the language.

591
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:42,520
He says, the Russian language was never forbidden, it was not infringed upon.

592
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,520
What kind of fairy tale is this? What kind of nonsense is this?

593
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,520
For a period of time, on the contrary, it was believed that

594
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:56,520
those who speak Russian are literate and educated.

595
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:02,520
He did not want to say that a person who speaks Ukrainian and does not speak Russian is a villager.

596
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,520
No, he did not want to say that.

597
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:10,520
He just said that there was no infringement of Russian-speaking people

598
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:18,520
and no attacks against the Russian language, Russian culture, Russian figures, culture and so on.

599
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,520
There was no persecution.

600
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,520
These are all fairy tales, nonsense.

601
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:33,520
One person went crazy and decided that whether you want it or not, be friends and love.

602
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:39,520
Come on, join us and vote for the referendum as it should be.

603
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:47,520
There was a moment when I went to the shower and I could not take a gun with me.

604
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:51,520
I was just sitting in the kitchen with this person and talking.

605
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:57,520
How will it look now if I go to the shower with a gun?

606
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:03,520
This is mistrust, this is some kind of duality.

607
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,520
I did not take it, I left my gun in the kitchen and went in.

608
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:14,520
I did not think that he would poison me, that he would add orange poison to my tea.

609
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,520
I knew that he would do it, I did not know why I knew it.

610
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,520
I was not afraid.

611
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,520
I went to the shower without a gun, he knocks on the door and gives me a gun.

612
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,520
I say no, I will not take it, I will leave it, let it lie there.

613
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:38,520
I came to him, we talked, he gave me his father's lighter.

614
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:49,520
He says that he has been with her all the war, let him be your talisman, let him bring you happiness and good luck.

615
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:59,520
I still remember one elderly grandfather.

616
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:11,520
His garage was opened and he had a grinder with a disc.

617
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,520
I think everyone knows what a grinder is.

618
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:19,520
And a welding machine.

619
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:32,520
And he runs like a person with such a tragedy, he has such a tragedy that it is as if an adult has lost a child on the market.

620
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:40,520
And who was it, when was it, who did it, how can it be, what is it, what is it?

621
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:48,520
I say, what happened, father? And he says, the garage was opened, there is no grinder, there is no welding machine.

622
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:56,520
I say, I am a welder, I work, I earn money, I have a small pension, I only live on this.

623
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,520
I start running with him.

624
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:10,520
We come to one group of Sharikovs, to another group of Sharikovs, I ask, who took it?

625
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,520
I'm talking about the fighters of the 42nd division now.

626
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:21,520
And who took it, I say, we didn't take it.

627
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,520
No, who didn't take it?

628
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,520
No, I don't know, we didn't see it, it didn't pass, no.

629
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:33,520
We just woke up now, we just fell from the cloud, we didn't see anything, we don't know.

630
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:38,520
I say, forgive me, father.

631
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:54,520
I gave him stew, I gave him something else, pasta, he silently took it and left.

632
01:15:54,520 --> 01:16:10,520
He said, what for me, what for me, thank you.

633
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:17,520
It's hard, it's hard.

634
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:25,520
For your conscientiousness and for the fact that you tell everything so honestly.

635
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:30,520
And for the fact that you understand what was happening there, just from me.

636
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,520
Thank you very much, Konstantin.

637
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:38,520
I really, these few months, I was very worried about you.

638
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:47,520
And when the evacuation process itself began in the last weeks, when something did not work out somewhere.

639
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:56,520
One of the New Year's wishes for me was that you managed to fly away.

640
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:04,520
So that you have the opportunity to tell the world the truth, because it is of great importance.

641
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,520
Konstantin, I wanted to ask a question.

642
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:17,520
Often in the press I met stories, a short description of marauding.

643
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:27,520
But I have never met a detailed story of such a sane person who can calmly tell.

644
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,520
Just some videos.

645
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:43,520
In front of your eyes, was there anything related to the theft of the property of Ukrainian citizens?

646
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:49,520
No matter if it's a vehicle, a car, something else, some valuables.

647
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:54,520
And if it happened, what did it look like?

648
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:59,520
Who is involved in this and what was the purpose of all this?

649
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:06,520
I saw a lot, often, on different scales.

650
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:15,520
I remember when we arrived in Melitopol, we were still in Kamaz.

651
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:29,520
And a soldier of our battalion, an engineer-sapper, jumped out of the car and ran into some military airfield.

652
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:35,520
IL-76 or IL-86, they were not very strong aircraft models.

653
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:42,520
But this military airfield on the outskirts of Melitopol was bombed.

654
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:49,520
And when we arrived there, we heard shots, the battle was still going on in Melitopol.

655
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:59,520
And this is a military officer in the position of deputy commander of the platoon.

656
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:10,520
He jumped out of the Kamaz, ran into some hill, pulled out a lawn mower from there.

657
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:16,520
The lawn mower, which is dressed through the shoulder, is gasoline.

658
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:28,520
And he was so happy, as if he had won a car or an apartment.

659
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:38,520
And he proudly said, I'll bring the sergeant, we'll mow the grass near the barracks.

660
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:44,520
Others saw and thought that we were wasting our time.

661
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:49,520
They ran too, brought axes, buckets.

662
01:19:49,520 --> 01:20:02,520
And all this is a large-capacity battery, which is used in trucks.

663
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:11,520
It was the first looting of people on the territory of Ukraine.

664
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,520
I don't know, maybe they do something like that at home too.

665
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,520
They were very happy that they made it.

666
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:24,520
They found their luck, they dragged buckets and lawn mowers.

667
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:34,520
At the airfield, all these planes flew by.

668
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:40,520
Someone is carrying a bicycle, someone is carrying a drum, someone is carrying a bayan.

669
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:49,520
Someone is trying to start some kind of vehicle, some kind of cargo, gasoline ZIL-131.

670
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:55,520
It is necessary, but it is not necessary.

671
01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:01,520
I don't know what's in their heads.

672
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,520
I don't understand.

673
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,520
Absolutely useless things.

674
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,520
They were hammered by KAMAZ trucks.

675
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,520
And they themselves were not sitting on jackets.

676
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,520
I don't know, they were standing on their ears in these KAMAZ trucks.

677
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,520
But they were dragging everything in a row.

678
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:24,520
How else can I call them?

679
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,520
Stupid cattle.

680
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,520
I'm not a rich person.

681
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,520
I have never earned much.

682
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:36,520
I understand that this is garbage.

683
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,520
But why do you need it? Why are you dragging it?

684
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,520
How will it help you? What is it for?

685
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,520
Even if it will help you, who are you to take it from there?

686
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,520
You put something there.

687
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,520
Mom probably didn't tell them, and neither did dad.

688
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,520
Don't take it. You didn't put anything there.

689
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,520
Don't take it from there.

690
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:59,520
But these are jokes.

691
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:11,520
Let's compare it to what happened in Takmake.

692
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:17,520
The first to hide in Takmake were the assault and motorized shooting reconnaissance units,

693
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:23,520
which went there and fought.

694
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,520
There were ATMs, grocery stores.

695
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:33,520
In the village of Belmak, there was a warehouse of household chemicals.

696
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:43,520
Powders, soap, diapers, wet wipes, detergents.

697
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:49,520
Everything was turned upside down there.

698
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:57,520
The liberator also walked there with his foot.

699
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,520
He freed the warehouse from the diapers.

700
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:11,520
All the cool guys tried to get behind the wheel of the car.

701
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:22,520
There were people who bought the car, gave money and agreed on the price with the locals.

702
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:26,520
But these were rare cases.

703
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:43,520
The main ones were either the car was taken away, or someone left his six or Lada.

704
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,520
He didn't take it. Maybe the car was better.

705
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,520
But it doesn't mean that he gave it away.

706
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,520
If he left his house and his car, it doesn't mean that he can take it.

707
01:23:53,520 --> 01:24:06,520
Basically, they were forced to do so.

708
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:16,520
And the poor, poor, poor KSAM division, which was mostly designed for diesel fuel,

709
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:23,520
did not expect such a replenishment of gasoline equipment in the armed forces.

710
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:39,520
And gasoline was a very big deficit, because all the cool guys chose a way to move in stolen cars.

711
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:52,520
As I said, there were cases when a person bought a car and agreed on the price.

712
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:59,520
But this is nonsense. This is at the level of error from the general public.

713
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:12,520
There was a case when one of the servicemen liked Chevrolet Niva very much in one family.

714
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:22,520
And he took this car and also beat the owner of this car.

715
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:36,520
Then it turned out that the security of the head of the division's headquarters forced him to return this car.

716
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:42,520
They say, take the car, give it to the owner, don't waste it, fool.

717
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:48,520
Give the car to the owner, apologize for hitting him.

718
01:25:48,520 --> 01:26:04,520
He went to the owner again and hit him again.

719
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:08,520
He left again, he complained again.

720
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:18,520
As a result, the security of the head of the division simply beat him.

721
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:29,520
Again, what is impossible for him, for what he received, can be done by the security of the head of the division and others.

722
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:43,520
Not all marauders are equal in their hierarchy.

723
01:26:43,520 --> 01:27:01,520
Automobile equipment, trucks, expensive, good trucks, Volvo, Mercedes, they were taken out of there to the side of the Crimea and further.

724
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:14,520
Yes, everything that could be dragged, everything was dragged. I saw how the tile, I mean the plumbing, was loaded into the KAMAZ.

725
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:34,520
In one of the videos that you sent, there was some kind of expensive agricultural equipment.

726
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:58,520
Yes, this is in the vicinity of Zaporizhzhya region, north of Belmak, north of Takmak, but south of Orekhovo.

727
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:12,520
There was a large base, there was a mill, a grain grinder.

728
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:28,520
On this territory, there are a lot of tractors. These are super tractors, John Deere, who knows, even who does not know, understands that this is a very expensive equipment.

729
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:42,520
For different tasks, for any tasks, there were probably 8 of them. And when we guarded the artillery, we came there to swim.

730
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:52,520
There was also a mansion, apparently the owner of some agricultural estates.

731
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:58,520
Maybe he was a tenant, but he also lived there, because we came to swim in this house.

732
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:05,520
Then we could not stay there for the night, climb over this house, something like that.

733
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,520
We had to leave again, guard the artillery further.

734
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:18,520
She moved from place to place, she makes a shot, she can do it at night, coordinates come to them, they must be ready to shoot.

735
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:24,520
When we found some time, we came there to swim, wash and left.

736
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:31,520
But in permanent residence, there were also fighters of the 100th brigade of Mozdok.

737
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:48,520
I don't remember how to say it, butter in sour cream, cheese in butter.

738
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,520
The 42nd division did not let them get bored with such tractors.

739
01:29:53,520 --> 01:30:02,520
I also saw a very nasty moment. I've seen a lot of nasty moments, but this one is also memorable.

740
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:14,520
These fighters from the 100th division, from the 100th division brigade, they ate, drank there.

741
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:26,520
In the refrigerators, there was a huge mansion of a man, a working man, who is the owner, who created work around him,

742
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:32,520
he organized it, they do not understand it, they are junkies.

743
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,520
And he apparently lived there with his family.

744
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:47,520
And he had everything, the man was really wealthy, he had a cellar with wine, he had a pond with Japanese carp,

745
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:52,520
Japanese carp, red, red, multicolored.

746
01:30:52,520 --> 01:31:07,520
And these bulls, these ball animals, they had full, these are the fighters of Mozdok, they had full refrigerators of food.

747
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:22,520
Pork, live pigs were there, chickens, full refrigerators of any meat, dried fruits, ice cream, there you can survive a nuclear war.

748
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:34,520
And these characters, Bulgakov, they caught these carp and ate them.

749
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:41,520
They decided to try.

750
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:56,520
I knew, I read before that in Japan, samurais, even in times of hunger, even in a fierce hunger, they did not touch these fish.

751
01:31:56,520 --> 01:32:01,520
They purely bore aesthetic pleasure, like pets.

752
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:06,520
But what am I talking about now? What samurais?

753
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:10,520
What samurais and where are the samurais and where are the liberators?

754
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:20,520
Those videos that you sent me, those videos, those photos, I also then looked through the satellite.

755
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:32,520
I was surprised how much a person who created it, a family, how much they loved their business,

756
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:41,520
because it is really modern technology, a big, good house and fields, agriculture, well-groomed,

757
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:52,520
that is, there you can see the hand of a loving, caring owner, a real owner, a farmer, a manufacturer.

758
01:32:52,520 --> 01:33:04,520
That is, it is obvious that those who invaded, as you say, the liberators, they came where everything was established,

759
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:18,520
where everything grew, everything developed and everything was as, unfortunately, I have not seen anywhere in Russia for all this time.

760
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:27,520
There are poor people and oligarchs who clean it all up.

761
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:37,520
And here it was clear that a person lives where he earns money and all this is calculated with love.

762
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:41,520
I have never seen a more beautiful place in my life.

763
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:48,520
He has a park, and some figures, and a pond, and in the pond he has Japanese carp.

764
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:52,520
Well, a person worked and earned all this grace around him.

765
01:33:52,520 --> 01:34:02,520
Yes, that is, it is clear that this is a large family, it all created, and it is clear that the person who worked there,

766
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:10,520
that he is going to pass it on.

767
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:17,520
I just looked at this whole thing and understood how many years of work has been spent there

768
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:23,520
in order to then pass it on to their children, to their grandchildren.

769
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:30,520
And now what you are telling, what was happening there, this is barbarism.

770
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:36,520
I don't know if he will see, if he will find out about his house.

771
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:38,520
I think he will find out.

772
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:43,520
And I would like to apologize to him.

773
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:53,520
I know that this house is now bombed, and in it, in my opinion, even someone died from these Russian servicemen.

774
01:34:53,520 --> 01:35:01,520
So, I heard from my comrades, already at the moment when I left there, I heard that a shell hit the house.

775
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:13,520
And even when the owner was there, I know that they came up to him and asked for an electric generator, well, a diesel generator.

776
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:21,520
And the person who asked him, he said, give it to me, please, I'll give it back to you.

777
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:26,520
And he says, you won't give it back to me.

778
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:31,520
And he says, well, I'm asking you, I'm not taking it from you, I promise I'll give it back to you.

779
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:35,520
And he says, and if I say no, you won't take it?

780
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,520
This is what the owner says.

781
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:39,520
And he says, no, I won't take it.

782
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:41,520
And he gave it to him in the end.

783
01:35:41,520 --> 01:36:00,520
And he had two cars in his garage, a Toyota Land Cruiser 200 and a Toyota Hilux.

784
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:11,520
And the Hilux, too, the 42nd division, in my opinion, either the 42nd or the 100th Mazda.

785
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:16,520
The Land Cruiser was not able to start, and the Hilux was able to start.

786
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:21,520
And they packed it in their pockets.

787
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:28,520
And what is the fate of this tractor John Deere?

788
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:34,520
I know that none of them are left there.

789
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:37,520
But it's...

790
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,520
Except for the 42nd division, it's unlikely that anyone could have done it.

791
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:42,520
This is the division commander.

792
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:52,520
And without his knowledge, and without the knowledge of the division curator, the employee, in three letters, it would also hardly have happened.

793
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,520
Without their clear hand.

794
01:36:54,520 --> 01:37:10,520
That is, in fact, what we saw later, when this technique went towards Russia, it was, in fact, a robbery of the occupied territories.

795
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:17,520
Well, where did these tractors go, I don't know.

796
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:24,520
I'm sure they definitely went to the peninsula, and then you can only guess.

797
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:35,520
But I know for sure that on May 24, I left and drove up to the state border with Crimea.

798
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:44,520
To the border, that is, I was moving south.

799
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:58,520
There were kilometer-long traffic jams from Shalandy trailers with grain, all in Ukrainian numbers.

800
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:15,520
Everything was taken out, all this grain, thousands of tons, hundreds of thousands of tons, probably, were taken out of Zaporozhye.

801
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:24,520
Konstantin, what designation did some strange symbols put on the technique?

802
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:31,520
When you saw on February 27, during the invasion, and then what happened in front of your eyes,

803
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:36,520
on those areas, on the military equipment, what designations were applied?

804
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:41,520
Our division applied only for this.

805
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,520
Except for the West, they did not apply.

806
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:56,520
Yes, you are just telling me now about the grain. I also heard that those who came from the side of Crimea,

807
01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,520
during the invasion, all applied the letter Z.

808
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:04,520
It was all there from the north, from Belarus, the attack, and here is Z.

809
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:14,520
And given that the grain was taken out there, the only way I can link this letter Z to what was happening.

810
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:20,520
Maybe it's a special operation with grain, with the robbery of Ukraine for grain.

811
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,520
Because I can't do anything else.

812
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:25,520
Special operation is a shame.

813
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,520
Shame, yes.

814
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:36,520
We have been talking for almost an hour and a half.

815
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:42,520
We still have, I hope, not one such big conversation ahead.

816
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:49,520
I know that many people from different countries of the world will watch this interview.

817
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:58,520
And, of course, Russian military, servicemen, FSB officers, of course, will watch.

818
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:03,520
And your former comrades-in-arms and the command.

819
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:12,520
And those will see who is now recruited into various divisions in order to send there for war.

820
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:21,520
If you sum up to Russian military, what would you like to say to Russian military?

821
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,520
I know why they are there.

822
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:45,520
I know that there are no rich military, that they are kept by a mortgage, families, some salary, stability.

823
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:55,520
But this is not what it is worth losing at least your life for.

824
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:59,520
Not to mention some higher human principles.

825
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:04,520
About the fact that you attacked, we attacked people.

826
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:15,520
I know, I know that no one believes in this fairy tale that they wanted to attack us.

827
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:20,520
No one, of course, will say it.

828
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:27,520
Yes, but in the depths of the soul, you all know that you are being fooled.

829
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:31,520
I know that everyone was sure that it would end quickly.

830
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:36,520
No one wanted, but everyone was sure that it would end quickly.

831
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:40,520
No one believed, but everyone still went.

832
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:47,520
Why do we believe in one thing, and it causes trust in us, and something else does not cause?

833
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:53,520
Why, when you are in the market, you understand that you can be weighed and counted?

834
01:41:53,520 --> 01:42:05,520
And in another, more serious matter, where your life is at stake, your consciousness does not work, you believe.

835
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,520
But most do not believe.

836
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:15,520
I wish you all to be men.

837
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:20,520
I was constantly told in the army, you are first of all an officer.

838
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,520
I say, no, first of all, I am a man.

839
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:27,520
They say, no, you are first of all an officer.

840
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:34,520
I argue, no, first of all, I am a man, and secondly, I am an officer.

841
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:37,520
And this is important, this is an important point.

842
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:44,520
In the army, orders are not discussed, yes, it is clear.

843
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:50,520
But it is also indicated that criminal orders can not be carried out.

844
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:52,520
Contradictions.

845
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:59,520
But choose you, choose you, live or die.

846
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:12,520
One comrade, a friend of mine, he went, he was going, and in the end he went to the volunteers.

847
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:14,520
Well, how, to the volunteers for money.

848
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,520
I do not understand why they are called volunteers.

849
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:17,520
These are mercenaries.

850
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:24,520
Bars, ChVK, all the rest.

851
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:26,520
What kind of volunteers are they?

852
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:31,520
A volunteer goes voluntarily, and you are mercenaries.

853
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,520
Don't call yourself volunteers.

854
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:38,520
A volunteer goes to put out a fire, and he is not paid for it.

855
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:46,520
In Ukraine there may be volunteers, but in Russia there are no volunteers.

856
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:48,520
You are all mercenaries, mercenary killers.

857
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:56,520
And this one volunteer, he says, and my son will grow up and ask me,

858
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,520
Dad, why didn't you go there?

859
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:08,520
He answered my question, why do you need it? Don't be stupid, don't make a mistake, don't go there.

860
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:14,520
I say, why are you sure that your son will ask you, Dad, why didn't you go there?

861
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:18,520
Or maybe your son will ask you, Dad, why did you go there, what did you do there?

862
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,520
Didn't you think that your son could ask you that?

863
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:25,520
No, he won't ask me that.

864
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:28,520
They don't think about it.

865
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:32,520
Your children can ask you, Dad, why did you go there?

866
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:38,520
And you tell your child, because I had a mortgage, that's why I killed people,

867
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:44,520
or because I had a year left until retirement, or for what else?

868
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:48,520
Don't be stupid, wake up already.

869
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:59,520
You argue when you are not forced to dig, or when you are not forced to set up a tent,

870
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:05,520
you argue, you are angry, you argue when you are unfairly put in a uniform,

871
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:09,520
when you are unfairly deprived of bonuses, deprived of money.

872
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,520
You face injustice every day.

873
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:17,520
I served for 10 years, I know what I'm talking about.

874
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:20,520
You all perfectly agree with me.

875
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:26,520
But as far as your life is concerned, not a tent, not a day off, not a monthly bonus,

876
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:37,520
but as far as your life and the life of innocent people are concerned, you are humble, relentless.

877
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:42,520
I don't know, wake up.

878
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:47,520
What's wrong with you? Are you in some kind of madness, or in what state?

879
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:51,520
It's been going on for a year.

880
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:55,520
Get your feet out of there.

881
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:59,520
Sabotage the orders.

882
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:02,520
Make an Italian strike.

883
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:05,520
Well, you are bigger than 100 balls, you don't know what it is.

884
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:13,520
I don't want to insult you, I don't want to humiliate you.

885
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:20,520
But I know, those who are friends with me, those who know me,

886
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:25,520
I have not lost a single friend now.

887
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:31,520
Speaking of what I say, I have a lot of enemies, but I have not lost a single friend.

888
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:40,520
Maybe I have, but I know that you think the same way as I do.

889
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:46,520
Many of you will envy me that they will say, yes, he has gained courage.

890
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:50,520
Yes, I didn't gain it, maybe I always had it, but you have it too.

891
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:58,520
I know that many of you are not cowards.

892
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:04,520
We ourselves did not notice how it became a norm for us to humiliate the armed forces.

893
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,520
Corruption.

894
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:11,520
You all know that in order to get a job, you need to give money.

895
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:16,520
In order to get a job, you need to give money.

896
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:20,520
In order to get a veteran's certificate, you need to give money.

897
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:28,520
I don't know, there has never been a fair system.

898
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:34,520
Why do you continue? Is it driving you to die?

899
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:37,520
Is this system driving you to die?

900
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:40,520
And you still don't realize anything.

901
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:45,520
You think I won't be affected, right?

902
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:52,520
What kind of hope is this? You are not in a casino, where you will lose all your money.

903
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:56,520
And you will leave there and go. You will lose your life there.

904
01:47:56,520 --> 01:48:01,520
Think about it, do something.

905
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:10,520
I also stained myself, I also became youthful when I did not leave on the first day.

906
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:13,520
What do I regret?

907
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:19,520
And you? Who has been there since the first day?

908
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:21,520
At least who got there yesterday?

909
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:23,520
You have nothing to do there.

910
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:28,520
I'm not even talking about the fact that you attacked innocent people.

911
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:34,520
About the fact that they want to attack us.

912
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:41,520
I'm not even talking about the fact that you make innocent people suffer, who have nothing to do with anything.

913
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:46,520
Think about yourself and your relatives.

914
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:58,520
Throw out of your head these stupid ideas that they know better, they understand better.

915
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,520
We don't know everything.

916
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:03,520
But you don't know everything.

917
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:11,520
The person who does not know everything is not in a hurry to take a side.

918
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,520
And you took a specific side.

919
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:17,520
They know better, they know better.

920
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:19,520
Who knows better?

921
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:23,520
You don't need anyone except your loved ones.

922
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:25,520
So come back to them.

923
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,520
Stop following orders.

924
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:30,520
At least give up.

925
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:33,520
Come up with something.

926
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:37,520
Is your life not expensive at all?

927
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,520
Think about it and come back home.

928
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:44,520
You are mobilized, you are unique people.

929
01:49:44,520 --> 01:50:01,520
If the servicemen earned a mortgage and now their relatives live in these apartments, and he resigns and his family ends up on the street,

930
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:08,520
God forbid, go and get drunk, get drunk, don't be a fool, find yourself in life, rent an apartment.

931
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:22,520
Instead of killing people for your family to live in the apartment you earned, you are mobilized, you are unique people.

932
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:27,520
Instead of going to the village to your grandfather, you come.

933
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:31,520
This army failed, where did you decide to go?

934
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:36,520
Did you think you went for a walk, for fishing?

935
01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:40,520
Did you see what happened on New Year's Eve?

936
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:42,520
Or how you were told?

937
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:46,520
That you wrote SMS, that it was your fault?

938
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:51,520
Will they tell you that? Will you die like that?

939
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,520
I don't understand.

940
01:50:54,520 --> 01:51:02,520
Am I the most well-read, smart or...

941
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:04,520
I have no words.

942
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:09,520
At home, too, I constantly could not be silent, argued with everyone.

943
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:22,520
I heard such nonsense that I don't know where people have their own opinion, their own brains.

944
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:25,520
Everything is so bad.

945
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:32,520
Come back home.

946
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:42,520
All families in Vladikavkaz are provided with housing, all old people.

947
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:45,520
My mother has a pension of 11 thousand rubles.

948
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:47,520
We will save Donbass.

949
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:51,520
We will join the territory.

950
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:55,520
At home, you are hungry.

951
01:51:55,520 --> 01:52:00,520
I am now addressing the mobilized and the servicemen.

952
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:02,520
You are hungry, you are beggars.

953
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:05,520
Did you go somewhere to put things in order?

954
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:09,520
Did you listen to anyone?

955
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:25,520
Throw out of your head these fairy tales, these fairy tales about greatness, about strength, about a high purpose, purpose.

956
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:41,520
At home, the fire is burning, the roof is burning, you are beggars, your children are eating.

957
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:43,520
Your children are in the refrigerator.

958
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,520
Do you have everything there that you want?

959
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:49,520
Do you at least eat the products that you want to eat every day?

960
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:51,520
And your children?

961
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:56,520
When did you go to save someone from the Nazis?

962
01:52:56,520 --> 01:53:00,520
Are you completely crazy?

963
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:08,520
Private, flag bearers, sergeants, seniors, officers, majors, colonels.

964
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:10,520
What am I telling you now?

965
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:15,520
What you yourself do not understand?

966
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,520
I opened something new for you.

967
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:19,520
You know everything.

968
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,520
What are you waiting for?

969
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:23,520
Do you want to fight for two years?

970
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:24,520
Three years?

971
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:25,520
How long? Until the last one?

972
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:27,520
Until the last one does not kill you?

973
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:33,520
You are mobilized.

974
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:41,520
And those who are not yet mobilized, and those who have mobilized, you are even more stupid, much less intelligent.

975
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:52,520
And those who went to the village to the grandfather, those who found a way to hide, all are well done, all are smart.

976
01:53:52,520 --> 01:54:01,520
And they will not go, they will not be particularly sought.

977
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:08,520
I do not know what else to say.

978
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:11,520
The last two short questions.

979
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:18,520
Konstantin, in total, how long have you served?

980
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:22,520
9 years and 11 months.

981
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:24,520
Almost 10 years.

982
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:25,520
Yes.

983
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:29,520
Together with one year of urgent service.

984
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:38,520
And I also became an officer, I became a lieutenant.

985
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:42,520
I received the first officer's military rank in 2017.

986
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:44,520
I graduated from the lieutenant course.

987
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:51,520
I did not fall, I did not fall from the schools where slaves are made of them.

988
01:54:51,520 --> 01:55:01,520
I went through the path of urgent service, military service, contract service, and became an officer.

989
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:07,520
And I know all the stages, well, until the moment of the platoon commander.

990
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:10,520
But I also know higher.

991
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:32,520
How do you, as a person who spent almost 10 years in the military service, in the army, which was originally the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Defense,

992
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:49,520
the army that was taught to defend its country, and then as a result of this attack, what was the decision to leave Russia?

993
01:55:49,520 --> 01:56:03,520
The country for which you were ready to serve, fight, defend for almost 10 years?

994
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:08,520
Vladimir, I had a profession, a specialty of mine.

995
01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:11,520
I was a platoon commander.

996
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:19,520
Since 2018, I have mined the Chechen Republic after two wars that took place there.

997
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:21,520
There was a lot of work.

998
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:26,520
I did not sit somewhere in the headquarters, I did not sit in the warehouse.

999
01:56:26,520 --> 01:56:36,520
I'm not someone's nephew, I'm not someone's relative.

1000
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:47,520
I went to the armed forces because, according to my education, I am an engineer, an electrician, a power supplier of industrial enterprises.

1001
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:55,520
But at the factory there was a small salary, and I lived with my mother, poor, and paid normal money in the armed forces only.

1002
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:57,520
Well, not only, in the police too.

1003
01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:00,520
And so, so, further, further, further, further.

1004
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:07,520
A chance to get housing, a military mortgage. Russia is poor.

1005
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:21,520
And so, only in the armed forces it was possible to earn at least some money.

1006
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:26,520
So it brought me to the army.

1007
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:36,520
I'm not, I'm telling the truth, I'm not because of some ideological reasons that I thought I was a defender of the Fatherland,

1008
01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:40,520
or since childhood I played in a soldier, or from a military family.

1009
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:43,520
No, everything is much more prosaic.

1010
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:53,520
17,000 salary at the factory, an engineer, an electrician, and 30,000 salary to a driver, a private driver of a contract service.

1011
01:57:53,520 --> 01:58:06,520
And then, when I served three years, I already have an internship, I have already served another three years, I already have a mortgage, some savings.

1012
01:58:06,520 --> 01:58:15,520
I have now resigned, and in two years I would be able to collect 4 million rubles in savings.

1013
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:27,520
And since I resigned, I lost this money. I lost my salary of 93,000. This is a very good salary for Ossetia, for Vladikavkaz.

1014
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:30,520
Very good salary.

1015
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:46,520
I was engaged in my favorite business. I knew that I was not a junkie, not some kind of staff sergeant, not a warehouse worker who drags something from the warehouse home.

1016
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:55,520
I and my friends, me and my team, demined the land on which then bread was planted, on which something was built.

1017
01:58:55,520 --> 01:59:04,520
I do not know professions in the Armed Forces nobler than demining.

1018
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:08,520
Maybe someone knows, but I do not.

1019
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:12,520
This is the best, the most peaceful profession.

1020
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:38,520
And this man, alone, this man, he took it all from me. And to sit and hide from the agenda somewhere in a rented apartment, for my dignity, for my honor, for me it is unbearable.

1021
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:45,520
I am an officer, why should I hide like a thief? Did I steal something?

1022
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:50,520
Why should I go and kill someone because someone wanted something, because someone decided something?

1023
01:59:50,520 --> 02:00:02,520
Of course, it was not easy for me to leave my country, to leave. But it was even harder for me to hide and be silent.

1024
02:00:02,520 --> 02:00:12,520
It is easy for someone, you are probably lucky, although it is unlikely, you are insignificant, you are unhappy.

1025
02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:22,520
You can not say, you can never say what you want to say, what you think. And I do not want to be like that.

1026
02:00:22,520 --> 02:00:36,520
I am very touched and I respect your life position.

1027
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:53,520
And I hope that what you say so sincerely, this will be able to awaken those who are trapped in illusions.

1028
02:00:53,520 --> 02:01:10,520
Probably, I have run out of questions today, because there is something to think about. Of course, there are a lot of questions and I want to talk to you more than once or twice.

1029
02:01:10,520 --> 02:01:31,520
You are a very interesting interlocutor, a very interesting person. I hope that many of my dear subscribers and viewers will agree with me and write, as well as I do, words of support and gratitude for this sincere, honest story.

1030
02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:48,520
And most importantly, for your life position. Because, I will emphasize once again, sometimes many, not many, but some misunderstanders write to me,

1031
02:01:48,520 --> 02:02:03,520
they say, Vladimir, you are helping those people who were in the Russian law enforcement system, and so on, putting me in a bind, as if we were a tourist agency.

1032
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:22,520
And we are not a tourist agency, we are a team of human rights activists who really want to conduct an independent investigation in full, who want to help the international investigation to make some kind of a contribution, to find out the truth.

1033
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:39,520
And, of course, when people come to us who really show principle, who have very important information, who have evidence and their civic position,

1034
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:52,520
here it is, as we heard today, yes, against the war, how can I not help people like Konstantin? I can't.

1035
02:02:52,520 --> 02:03:12,520
Of course, what we can do, we try to help, because we understand that this is the important path that needs to be passed together, uniting efforts, showing solidarity in order to put an end to this horror,

1036
02:03:12,520 --> 02:03:25,520
which is happening in Russia, which the Russian army, unfortunately, brought to the territory of an independent democratic state.

1037
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:38,520
Finally, something to the viewers, subscribers of the GULAG channel, no, to our team, if you want to add something, then we will quietly finish.

1038
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:52,520
I want to thank you, Vladimir, for helping me. I honestly did not expect, did not hope, did not expect, did not think that someone owed me something.

1039
02:03:52,520 --> 02:04:00,520
I wrote to you and you answered in two minutes. I didn't even look at us on the phone, I didn't believe that you could answer me.

1040
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:08,520
And then, after a while, I looked and that's how we met and started our communication.

1041
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:20,520
I am very surprised and glad, surprised that there are people like you, and glad that there are people like you.

1042
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:33,520
I am surprised that there are few such people in fact. We have a huge country and a lot of good people, but there are very few people like you.

1043
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:52,520
This really upsets me. But the more valuable you are, the more valuable you are for all of us, those who turn to you for help, to whom you help, to whom you give the opportunity to live on,

1044
02:04:52,520 --> 02:05:09,520
not in fear for your future, for your tomorrow, the opportunity to express yourself, the opportunity to change something in people's minds.

1045
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:24,520
I hope that if at least one person's opinion changes thanks to what I just said, I am not in vain, and I think you are not in vain doing your job.

1046
02:05:24,520 --> 02:05:45,520
I also hope so, and we met in 2022, many months ago. Now, in 2023, the very future has come, which we once imagined as the distant future.

1047
02:05:45,520 --> 02:06:03,520
I want to wish you, Konstantin, all the best in the New Year. First of all, freedom forever.

1048
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:23,520
The opportunity to move across the ocean, thousands of kilometers from your home, the ability to find a new home, a new job,

1049
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:41,520
which will not take away your mental strength and which, on the contrary, will bring you some kind of peace and the opportunity to have a comfortable, full, good life for you.

1050
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:54,520
I really hope, and I will say it now as it is, I hope that we can unite efforts together with you,

1051
02:06:54,520 --> 02:07:04,520
and that our team becomes stronger every day, not because we need to be stronger, because we want to build our own army,

1052
02:07:04,520 --> 02:07:11,520
and I am now speaking in a spiritual sense, because it seems to me that there are more good people than bad.

1053
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:26,520
I know that in Russia, special services work very purposefully, throwing huge efforts at the destruction of me, at the destruction of Gulag,

1054
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:40,520
and at the destruction of the New Citizens Foundation. They are ready to spend millions of dollars and euros to intimidate someone, to bribe someone, to recruit someone,

1055
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:52,520
because they see that we are on the side of the truth, and despite the fact that we do not have any nuclear missiles, there are no billion-dollar accounts, there is just the truth.

1056
02:07:52,520 --> 02:07:59,520
In the Bible, which is always to my right, there is respect and trust of viewers and subscribers.

1057
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:11,520
There is an opportunity to unite in order to conduct an independent investigation, in order to open the eyes of many people.

1058
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:22,520
I hope that by working together with you, first of all, your testimony, and I am convinced of this, has a very important meaning,

1059
02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:33,520
a very important meaning for the International Criminal Court, for the law enforcement agencies of Ukraine, for the law enforcement agencies of the Russian Federation in the future.

1060
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:51,520
And I really believe that it is the honest position of people with dignity, with the right upbringing, with honor,

1061
02:08:51,520 --> 02:09:04,520
that your openness, courage, and frankness are really there for many people now, who are covered by propaganda by reason,

1062
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:14,520
who are dictated by life circumstances from above by the need to obey and forget about honor, about dignity,

1063
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so that they think about it, stop and remember who they are.

1064
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As you remembered, as you always knew, that you are, first of all, a man, not a small screw in some system,

1065
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not because everything starts with us, with what we see in the Bible, or someone in the Koran, or someone in some other book.

1066
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From the fact that we remember how we were brought up, mothers, fathers, our families, so that we remember why we came to this world,

1067
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so that we remember why our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, for example, my great-grandfather was the commander of the regiment,

1068
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Vasily Osechkin, Vasily Ivanovich Osechkin, he gave up his life fighting the fascists, the Nazis.

1069
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And to present to all our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, Russians, Russians and Ukrainians,

1070
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that many, many years later, on February 24, early in the morning or at night,

1071
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suddenly Russians and Russians will attack Ukraine with rockets, bombs, and so on.

1072
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It seems to me that no one, no one in 1945, 1946, 1947, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s,

1073
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would have ever believed in life, not from Russians, not from Ukrainians, that this could be possible.

1074
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:21,520
And then we see the old dictator, who has gone mad from this desire to take even more land,

1075
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:26,520
to enter the history textbooks as the successor of the Russian lands,

1076
02:11:26,520 --> 02:11:35,520
that now we will be in that situation, when I hear you, I listen to you, I believe you.

1077
02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:42,520
And this is a mosaic, this is one episode, what you saw with your own eyes.

1078
02:11:42,520 --> 02:11:47,520
And what happened during this invasion, more globally?

1079
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:56,520
Such boys, in such garages, or in these torture chambers, were broken noses, teeth were knocked out,

1080
02:11:56,520 --> 02:12:06,520
hands and legs were shot there. For what? For the fact that they were defending their home, their native land.

1081
02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:20,520
Therefore, Konstantin, from myself I want to say a huge thank you for the fact that you once decided and wrote to me.

1082
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I hope I did not let you down and managed to maintain confidentiality, anonymity,

1083
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until you leave the territory of Russia and fly to the other side of the Atlantic, where you will be safe.

1084
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Thank you for your trust, thank you for your courage and for this sincere story.

1085
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The only question I would like to ask, I feel it with my heart, I understand everything, but I have to ask it to you.

1086
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This is the last one, probably.

1087
02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:09,520
Did anyone put any pressure on you to tell you all this?

1088
02:13:09,520 --> 02:13:21,520
And are you ready to tell what you told me today to the investigators, prosecutors of the international investigation,

1089
02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:29,520
on the UN line, on the line of the International Criminal Court, to the investigators and prosecutors of Ukraine,

1090
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:42,520
some other countries that will join this big international investigation, about the pressure on you and about the readiness to cooperate with the investigation

1091
02:13:42,520 --> 02:13:51,520
to reveal all these facts of torture, including those tortures that Shapag and Dudov committed?

1092
02:13:51,520 --> 02:14:01,520
No one put any pressure on me. I said everything that I thought was necessary and what I saw.

1093
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First of all, what I saw and what I thought was necessary.

1094
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And I am ready to say this to anyone, as long as the scoundrels and criminals in military crimes are punished.

1095
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Thank you very much, Konstantin. And I really hope that in the next few days, in the next week, we will have the opportunity to talk in addition.

1096
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And of course, I really hope that everything will be positive in the next week, in the next month.

1097
02:14:46,520 --> 02:14:54,520
And we will be able, in addition to such serious, global, very important conversations that have historical significance,

1098
02:14:54,520 --> 02:15:06,520
I really hope that we will be able to shoot some more light, some positive interviews with your impressions, with your stories

1099
02:15:06,520 --> 02:15:18,520
about this great journey through a number of countries, about your evacuation and about your new life, which I hope will begin now.

1100
02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:23,520
And that everything will be successful and good in your new place.

1101
02:15:23,520 --> 02:15:29,520
Well, in turn, I and our entire team will try to support you as much as possible.

1102
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:38,520
Yes, it would probably not be nice of me if I offered you, do you want to add anything else from yourself?

1103
02:15:38,520 --> 02:15:49,520
Perhaps tell your relatives, friends, where you are from, with whom you served, they will also watch and worry about you.

1104
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:56,520
When you left Russia, they probably worried about you. Maybe you want to add something to them?

1105
02:15:56,520 --> 02:16:09,520
Yes, I want to say that those who know me, I did not become someone else in their eyes than I was before.

1106
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:22,520
And even if I did, I would still do what I think is necessary and would like to say what I think is necessary.

1107
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:31,520
But I was lucky with my relatives and friends. And in this regard, my heart is calm.

1108
02:16:31,520 --> 02:16:38,520
And I know that they love me, agree with me, support me.

1109
02:16:38,520 --> 02:16:52,520
Although not all of my small homeland, my beloved Vladikavkaz, many will condemn me, but I have nothing to do with them.

1110
02:16:52,520 --> 02:17:02,520
Thank you for giving me this opportunity, for helping me. I will be glad to meet you again.

1111
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:09,520
Thank you very much, Konstantin. And finally, I have an appeal to all our respected viewers and subscribers,

1112
02:17:09,520 --> 02:17:17,520
who are now watching the broadcast of this big conversation, who will later watch the recordings on our channel.

1113
02:17:17,520 --> 02:17:30,520
You know, this is the case when it is very important to like not because you like something or not, but because it is important.

1114
02:17:30,520 --> 02:17:37,520
It is important to promote it on YouTube, so that as many people as possible, both in Russia and in Ukraine,

1115
02:17:37,520 --> 02:17:42,520
and in the entire post-Soviet space, in Europe and in America, all over the world in general,

1116
02:17:42,520 --> 02:17:49,520
so that people see this very important testimony of Konstantin Efremov, so that they know the truth.

1117
02:17:49,520 --> 02:17:55,520
Please share the link to this video on social networks, in messengers.

1118
02:17:55,520 --> 02:18:00,520
Send it to your colleagues, friends, relatives, like-minded people, because this is the truth.

1119
02:18:00,520 --> 02:18:07,520
This is what, at least in the near future, will not be shown on television in Russia.

1120
02:18:07,520 --> 02:18:16,520
This is the truth that hides from you, but this is the truth that is very important to know in order to make important decisions

1121
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:21,520
for the advent of a bright future, including in Russia, of course.

1122
02:18:21,520 --> 02:18:26,520
And comment. Write comments in the chat, in the main column of comments.

1123
02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:33,520
Please express your opinion, no less than 7-8 words. Write what you think.

1124
02:18:33,520 --> 02:18:36,520
It is not necessary to agree with everything, with Konstantin or with me.

1125
02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:42,520
The main thing is to express your opinion, and at the same time, of course, a request, a convincing request,

1126
02:18:42,520 --> 02:18:49,520
even to those people who are my haters or those people who do not agree with Konstantin.

1127
02:18:49,520 --> 02:18:56,520
Please maintain some kind of reasonableness, politeness, without insults, without rudeness,

1128
02:18:56,520 --> 02:19:04,520
because, once again, it is very important to argue your point of view and express it politely and culturally,

1129
02:19:04,520 --> 02:19:08,520
respecting the rules of YouTube and our chat.

1130
02:19:08,520 --> 02:19:12,520
That's all for today. Konstantin Yefremov was with you.

1131
02:19:12,520 --> 02:19:17,520
Konstantin, thank you very much for this conversation.

1132
02:19:17,520 --> 02:19:22,520
And we, of course, continue. Vladimir Osechkin was with you today.

1133
02:19:22,520 --> 02:19:27,520
We continue to be good. There is no Gulag and war in the 21st century.

1134
02:19:27,520 --> 02:19:31,520
Thank you all. And Konstantin, once again, from me, I am grateful for this conversation.

1135
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Best wishes to everyone who watched it. There is no war. Thank you.